As many of you know, we have engaged our own attorney, Mr. Norman Malinski, to respond to the Eclipse subpoena of Google records. Eclipse’s assault on our First Amendment rights is targeted at obtaining personal information on some 28 Bloggers of this site. While our response to that subpoena has been filed, Mr. Malinski has received indications from Eclipse attorneys that they might seek to exclude from the Court’s ruling any named Bloggers who have not stipulated that they wish to be represented by Mr. Malinski in our response and the upcoming hearing.
In order to assure that you are properly represented in this proceeding, we ask that you confirm your wishes under your usual screen name. This ensures that, as you started out anonymous to the Court, you can remain anonymous in your response. Simply copy and paste the following language to a response under your Blog Screen Name and we will deliver that list of affirmations to Mr. Malinski for use in Court:
“This notice shall confirm my affirmation that I be represented by Norman Malinski, Esq. in all proceedings under that legal action currently referenced in the Superior Court of California as
ECLIPSE AVIATION CORPORATION, Plaintiff vs. JOHN DOE; JANE DOE; ET AL, Defendants
Case No.: 108CV110380”
It's important that you do this under your original blog 'name', as I know of at least one who has chosen to change his in the meantime. For those of you who have already responded to Gunner, please ensure that you STILL post the small notice above to this new thread. The more of the names we cover in this action the better. Check out the list here in case you are unsure if you are on it.
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As I understand it, Eclipse was attempting to marginalize our legal effort by arguing that we only represent one or two of the named Bloggers. As is so often the case, they've been bitten by the Law of Unintended Consequences. Looks like we have almost everyone signed on. Any hopes they may have had to divide and claim victory are now dashed.
Gunner
Shane
'Seems like I am the "fly" in the ointment, as it were!
So be it!
gadfly
(. . . buzzing off! . . . 'don't want to get "slapped".)
CW said ... Ultimate point is that the actions of the agency picking up th pieces is destroying what little chance Thielert had
Common misconcemption to think that the BK court appointed administrator have any interest in Thierlert's continuing operation. they do not. Their fiduciary responsibility is simply to maximize the ammount of money the resgistered creditors can collect.
In this case, probably righly so, the administrators seem to believe that the way to do this is to exploit customer capitivity and extract all the cash they can in the short term for as long as they can. It is not like they have another choice anyway. The creditors are not going to lend even more for them to continue to sell engines, engine parts and warranty services at a loss.
It helps to keep in mind who the administrators represent. It is not the owners/investors in thierlert. It is not the customers. It is simply the creditors.
I think this whole thing may be a boom to Aurto engines. they may be born with a ready replacement market in desperate need.
Incidently the so called Diesel SFC advantage is about to be erased completely. With Mercedes and BMW both rolling out turbo and direct injection to gas engines, theyr SFC will be very close to diesel. When Mercedes release the steady state compression ignition gass engines it is all over. Gas engines will prob be slightly ahead with much greater power density.
It will be great for the US. While Europe will face tight diesel demand and high prices, there will be ever more excessive gasoline supply for us to burn over here.
I just hope US drivers are not foolish enough to jump on the diesel bandwagon in big numbers. They have smartly rejected diesels up to now. Lets hope they continue.
Same goes for pilots.
CW said ... Ultimate point is that the actions of the agency picking up th pieces is destroying what little chance Thielert had
Common misconcemption to think that the BK court appointed administrator have any interest in Thierlert's continuing operation. they do not. Their fiduciary responsibility is simply to maximize the ammount of money the resgistered creditors can collect.
In this case, probably righly so, the administrators seem to believe that the way to do this is to exploit customer capitivity and extract all the cash they can in the short term for as long as they can. It is not like they have another choice anyway. The creditors are not going to lend even more for them to continue to sell engines, engine parts and warranty services at a loss.
It helps to keep in mind who the administrators represent. It is not the owners/investors in thierlert. It is not the customers. It is simply the creditors.
I think this whole thing may be a boom to Aurto engines. they may be born with a ready replacement market in desperate need.
Incidently the so called Diesel SFC advantage is about to be erased completely. With Mercedes and BMW both rolling out turbo and direct injection to gas engines, theyr SFC will be very close to diesel. When Mercedes release the steady state compression ignition gass engines it is all over. Gas engines will prob be slightly ahead with much greater power density.
It will be great for the US. While Europe will face tight diesel demand and high prices, there will be ever more excessive gasoline supply for us to burn over here.
I just hope US drivers are not foolish enough to jump on the diesel bandwagon in big numbers. They have smartly rejected diesels up to now. Lets hope they continue.
Same goes for pilots.
I'm sorry for all the duplicate posts - it was going into the next page.
ColdWetMackarelofReality said...
If there is such a huge demand from EASA member nations, why wouldn't Eclipse be having an all-hands on deck EASA cert effort?
1 - It makes no sense to go after EASA certification until the configuration is finalized (FIKI and 400Ws).
2 - As already posted/discussed, any Europeans can operate EA500s on a US cert by setting up a proper corporation to acquire the plane.
There is still one hpe for Eclipse owners. That a company (say EADS or Pilatus or Dassault or HawkerBeech or Etirc) will buy the Eclipse assets out of BK and support the plane on a reasonable basis.
This is similar to what happened at Columbia (Cessna bought them) or Aerostar (Matchen bought them).
Baron,
Nobody said anything about the administrator having a commitment to continued operations, but the current approach is guaranteed to yeild next to nothing for the creditors.
Put another way, the creditors will get nothing if Thielert fails, continued operations and a return to profitability should be the goals.
What the analysis has apparently shown is that the diesel engine line business plan was not understood, and the administrator seems focused only on short term cashflow to the detriment of long term survivability.
This is a uniquely bad business decision as it will very likely end Thielert as an engine manufacturer.
It is echoed in the current situation at Eclipse which like Thielert is delivering a marginal product, not supporting it well, and losing money on each 'delivery' in exchange for short term cash flow.
Once the low hanging fruit is picked (early adopter aircraft are 'delivered'), the money will dry up for Eclipse, just as it is already doing for Thielert - Cessna and Diamond are suspending any further orders. So now the hundreds of engine sales that were planned for the next 12 months have instantly dried up - remind you of anyone else?
In a-typical Ponzi fashion though, at least Eclipse has the next scam, I mean scheme, I mean 'product' ready to pick up the slack, the e-CONjet, primed to hit the 'sweet spot' as Vern has proclaimed.
The EASA thing was a rhetorical question. We are in violent agreement that the design is not done, and you can add that EASA has let it be known the current design will not be certified.
My point was that there is a glaring inconsistency with demand, availability and the need to establish a Russian plant to build another 600 per year, when they can't deliver 300 per year domestically, and when there are perhaps only another 700 to be delivered, IN TOTAL, when you exclude the 'floptions' for failed fleet operators.
Its a little funny and sad to think that the sr22 is eating Vern's/Ed's lunch.
No taxi, no volume, no volume no low price, no low price, no market.
Even the conjet will suffer (probably worse) against the SR22 unless its simply a private pilots plane.
In this case, they will have to compete against (divide the market between) the other single jets and competing props.
Still a plan to fail if its based on volume, and without Dayjet and the lines of Imagineair... forget it.
Just another CONjet.
Still a plan to fail if its based on volume, and without Dayjet and the lines of Imagineair... forget it.
Eclipse seemed to think all they had to do was build the plane and then they'd own the entire market. Vern has as much as said that by even recently saying he expected to have 75% of the VLJ market. Vern's Microsoft experience seems to have gone to his head and now not only are other manufacturers moving in on the markets, but they're completely smashing Eclipse in. It's pretty terrible how much Cessna has cleaned Eclipse's clock with getting their product to market (Mustang) in the US as well as getting it certified by EASA. Eclipse might be a profitable company by now if Vern's ego hadn't gotten in the way. He should have raised the money and then let an experiened CEO run the operation with him having a seat on the board. Eclipse could have designed their operations to be profitable at volumes that match reasonable projections and they could have gotten certified ages ago if they took Cessna's approach. Eclipse has had horrible leadership with that being the source of the problem, not bloggers or suppliers.
dave ...
as far as i don't fear Vern's stupid egocentric ways ... it goes far beyond what you wrote ... !
just to imagine that a almost BK firm in the middle of nowhere can ask for basically "write off" of US constitution rights is one thing ...
but in some cases (i am sure i am not the only one to be a foreigner or to live in a foreign country, with shane we are at least 2 !) Vern HAS to prove what his grief by other means than breaching one of the foundation of European laws = " INNOCENT until proved Guilty" in putting (may be nothing) something in a sealed trap ...!(this kind of "fishing" is not legal in lots of countries ...)
then it will have to get some serious arguments on WHY a californian court can go against the civil rights of someone living abroad ... then "for what sake " a californian court can or/and could be allowed to go against an other country laws ...and then in what "hell on earth" a far away court can have jurisdiction over a legal system some thousands Kilometers away ... then with what the said court think it can defend itself on such grounds ...then "How" vern intend to make his "best effort" to protect data ( considering he goes that far!) he could obtain to be protected against "unauthorized eyes " ( because if he get data , he will have to treat those data with some legally entitled experts , which would have to prove themselves they didn't leak those data into the wild !!! believe me , they don't come in cheap ...)
then he would have to show an existing link between a supposed "harm" and those persons designed by those data in (again) a court ... then he would have to deal with each country's legal system defendants ( for this i am quite happy to be french , in this country the law prescribe that you have , in a group , to sue EVERY one or NO one ! it's legal duty for court to say if the group is culprit and then if the peoples said have to pay some kind of money , but the plaintiff cannot decide on their own to sue this one , because he is rich , and not this one , because costs would be higher than potential benefits , if you do not comply = proceeding is voided !)
then even , if it goes to that extent , vern would have to win against separate individuals in each others country and then eventually get hold of an eventual payment of what a foreign court would have awarded him ...
(believe me , there is lots of very juicy tricks to be known about "how to avoid such liability..." )
but the public attention would be arisen by such ...
public attention being probably the worst nightmare of the last round of investors ...
and public attention brought to even Google , which would have to explain why they accepted to scrap-off the chineese freedom rights ( by allowing the Chineese Govt access to what chineese want to know on Web) and the californian court (still ) which would have to explain WHY in some cases they have juridiction over the world , and in some other time , they don't have juridiction over an other country , in NOT forbidding the said Corp.( Google) to give access a blocking-queries system to a foreign Govt , against the freedom of speech granted by US constitution ...
it is a "one kilo here is worth 1 kilo there " story ...
if the court decide to have a right in one way , then it has to be the same way for all !!
but , off-course , if such thing would go this far , i would personally challenge such proceeding before a french high court or even worse ...
such a case to be finished , i would say 6 to 8 years ... Vern will be long forgotten much before this ....
baron95 wrote :
"2 - As already posted/discussed, any Europeans can operate EA500s on a US cert by setting up a proper corporation to acquire the plane."
sorry to repeat ...
YES , if this OWNER flies with mother-in-law ...
AS FOR BUSINESS : JUST NO WAY !
if you find someone willing to do this , the meaning of such would be :
"you EASA are a piece of nothing , and we don't care about you or your stupid Certificat..."
probably the best way to end-up on "european_black-list" (the list which forbids to land or take-off on/from E.U. airports )
i would suggest anyone NOT to play that "clever" with entities whom have absolutely NOTHING to fear or to LOOSE ...!! (peoples from EASA are civil servant in the "french" way of the term , you 've got 100.000 times more chances to see Vern successful than to see any of them being fired or reprimanded for DOING his job , whatever are the consequences ...)
Eclipse Employee 505,
I find your post interesting, but it contains words I am uncomfortable with. You will note that in the past I have asked that we avoid 'language'.
Please delete this post. You are of course free to re word it and are welcome to repost the core content, if you so choose.
Shane
"I don't care if people want to waste their lives speculating about things, but I do care when people represent themselves as having insider knowledge and what they're saying is overt lies," Raburn said. "I'm trying to figure out why they make these accusations but don't say who they are."
VERN!
I do work at your place, and I do have a NDA. But I’m leaving next week to work for a company that has management that listens to experienced people on the floor. For the last year I have seen the Management on the floor come and go like the ABQ wind. They got fed up with the BS like all before them. Curtis, Andrew Smith, Brian Barnes, and Randy Moon, The list goes on and on and on. There is one thing I must make clear to you and your leads and your supervisors. YOU CANT INSTALL HUCK CLINCH RIVETS WITH CHERRY MAX GUNS. The Rep from HUCK has told you guys this and so has the Rep from TEXTRON/CHERRY MAX (a TEXTRON Company ) But you guys still do this, WHY, WHY, WHY. We get tired of replacing the loose rivets when the airframe get to us up in SP 2 (SUNPORT 2) If we don’t find them or nobody checks, them only thing holding them in is PAINT after the plane gets painted. STOP THE INSANITY! I say your statement in AVIATION BIZZ NEWS, You said that “ THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU MADE WAS HIRING ALL THESE SO CALL AVIATION EXPERTS AND EXPERIENCED AVIATION WORKERS” To that I say F**K YOU MATE! You where nothing but a COPY MACHINE REPAIR GUY when you got on at MICROSOFT.
I would just like to say GOOD LUCK to you in ABQ, and to all the guys that are fixing all the F**K UP’s and all the REWORK in Gainesville, FL and in Albany, NY (SERVICE CENTERS). You guys have your work cut out for you during VERNS new plan. ( OPERATION HIDE OUT)
1. No time was wasted during my life wile posting on this blog. 2. This is inside knowledge and is not a lie at all. 3. No need to figure out who I am, I plan to stop buy you office to see you and Peg before I leave and to tell you what a pleasure it has been learning how NOT to build an aircraft. I will see if you really do have that so called OPEN DOOR Policy
AND FINALLY. YES, an NDA was butchered and violated during this post, WAIT A SECOND! I’m a contractor and I never signed one. SWEEEEEEEET! I didn’t really care about it anyway.
Shane you were right, I was wrong in expecting this to be a boring thread (I was just expecting 27 cut and pastes of your wording) - Only 27 because threw his toys and stomped off, never to be seen again.
I admire Baron95's post BK optimism, and thing that you are probably right that they will find someone dumb enough to stump up 50-100 Mil for the wreckage. My prediction all along has been a good chance of a direct trip to Chapter 7 (no ch 11) then an attempted resuscitation "EclipseNG". Where Baron95 and my opinion diverge is the chance of success of ElipseNG.
Don't underestimate how quickly the supply chain falls apart. Like Thielert you will have a large number of abused suppliers. You only need one supplier to turn their back on the product, and you have a six month minimum delay in delivering a "finished" TM product.
All the arguments for a continued support of the partial eclipse rely on normal need for support (as in a finished A/C). I think you will find the Eclipse fleet rapidly thins out (as does the Thielert fleet) as they have much higher support needs.
I think you will find attempted G1000 retrofits etc will find the FADEC integration, and lack of space + CoG to be nasty poison pills.
I would epect an STC weight increase for the Eclipse to be very differcult to acheive due to the unknowns associated with stir fried structure and (possibly) reported poor workmanship revealed on used aircraft dueing retrofit.
E.E.505 ...
don't worry ...!
NDA shouldn't and wont stand in front of safety notice !
if you know a vehicle is deadly dangerous for X reason , would you bear some responsibility in case of casualties if you knew too just well what was going to happen and said nothing to keep your pay-check ?
505...
WCSYC
;)
freedom ...
yes , we share the same amount of doubts about a potential future for FPJ.Ng !
may be 8 / 10 years ago , chances would have been like a morning sunshine ...
4/6 years ago , plausible ...
nowadays : i doubt very much ! if the Russian part of the story is , what i believe , a smokescreen aimed at getting some more notes ..., it will take a t least an other year to be "right on tracks" which means middle 2009 ...
i don't think it will last till then ...
so FPJ.Ng , back to ABQ (?) but not enough cash to maintain others sites...
plane plagued with foul-misconceptions of business ethics ...
lots of "glitchs" to be fixed = who's gonna pay ?
and last , but not least Oil cost = the other day , a russian colleague
joined me in my vacations place (marakech) we have talked about Oil exports (his field of expertise) news are quite bad on this front ...
It looks more and more plausible that Russia is going to stop exporting Oil in 2015 , may be earlier ...
Oil prices then is expected at around 400$ /barrel (even if that doesn't say anything as for today , too many factors in the balance ...)
who said lately , "in ten years only 2 types of peoples will be flying as now : Rockstar and top-politicians ...!!
whatever is the future , don't waste too much time waiting for a bird that might be NEVER finished !!! 2015 is almost tomorrow...
Gotta love it when Chapter 11 Bankruptcy starts being bandied around as a logical step on the road to success.
Meantime, the factory is churning out fatalities just waiting to happen....opinion or not, it's time someone said this. Ken, your plane is unsafe!
Gunner
Hi Gunner,
Did the judge hold that hearing last week or not?
Did you read the latest AVweb article on Thielert. Interesting how the mainstream press throws off inhibitions and piles in once there is no chance of advertising revenue any more.
I look forward to the mr Brill's next Pilot und Flugzeug.
FJT-
The hearing is set for June 6th. I was mistaken in assuming it was set for last week.
I know many of you would expect me to provide better details of the case. Unfortunately, I don't keep up with it. When it comes to technical issues for which I have delegated the project authority and responsibility to known parties I trust, I tend not to micromanage.
Norman is a known quantity; what I call a "fire and forget" associate. Much like a smart bomb, I simply pour in the fuel, designate the target and press the Fire Button. He'll compute the optimum firing solution and come back with a Hit or Miss Debrief.
There's much speculation here regarding the specifics and legalities of the case. I think that's healthy and fun. Dislike it as we may, such discussion really isn't substantive to the attorney's task at hand just now.
Gunner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Eclipse_Aviation
where's the collier trophy?
where's the cert dates?
where's the list of "revolutionary technology"?
There's more about the lawsuit than anything else practically...
perhaps their legacy.
Thanks Gunner,
You are correct, being an armchair lawyer is a fun mental game, but has little in common with court room practice. They think differently to engineers :)
Vern must now preparing the lawyers to go after Wikipedia to provide the identity of the author of that fan site for sure :)
Dave said... Vern has as much as said that by even recently saying he expected to have 75% of the VLJ market.
He is being modest then.
If we define VLJ as I define them (fanjets with a MTOW of less than 6,000 lbs - the FAA cut off for guaranteed performance on twins), then Eclipse has 100% of the market.
If we define it as fanjets under $2M, again Eclipse has 100% of the market.
Even if we define it as sub 10,000 lbs MTOW fanjets and accept delivered prices over $3M as still being a VLJ (to let the Mustang in), Eclipse still have 70% of the market.
So be careful making fun of Vern's claims when, in this case, he is, in fact, being quite modest.
Once again, people fail to realize the magnitude of Eclipse's acomplishments. They do in fact have between 70 and 100% of the VLJ market at this time, depending on how you define it.
Fred said... one of the foundation of European laws = " INNOCENT until proved Guilty"
You really can't be serious can you? There is no such foundation in Europe. Are you confusing Europe with the US? In most European countries you can be held by the police for extended periods of time without even being charged with a crime. In most countries in Europe, you also can be compelled to testify against your self and are forced to answer questions or are sent to jail until you do. In most countries in Europe, you have no right to a trial by jury and can be sent to prison by a magistrate's findings. In some countries like Germany, there is no freadon of speech guarantees. You can actually be sent to jail by simple drawing a swastica in a piece of paper.
Please dude. Lets leave the "fundamental" freadoms/rights/violations out of the discussion. This is a commercial discussion, not a jihad or crusade.
Freadomjam said... Where Baron95 and my opinion diverge is the chance of success of ElipseNG.
Freadom, I don't think I have expressed an opinion of the chances for Eclipse to succeed post CH11/7. I couldn't comment until I saw the plan.
I am on reccord though, as saying that Eclipse/Vern so far are the only start-up GA light fan jet mannufacturers to have gotten this far (TC/PC/150+deliveries) since Learjet. And even Bill Lear lost control of his company before he got to 150 deliveries.
So the chances of ANYONE/ANYPLAN succeeding is extremely tiny. But not zero. That is the best I can say till I see the plan.
Now, if they get acquired by TBM/EADS for instance, than the chances are quite good (as in 50/50).
Baron,
I really appreciate and respect your commitment to the cause but I think your comparison to Lear is ill-formed.
In fact, I do not believe Eclipse should be compared to any successful aircraft OEM, after all, even Vern himself says that Eclipse does not manufacture anything.
Lear was not foisting incomplete partially functional preemie jets onto their unsuspecting customers - they were delivering aircraft that were technologically advanced for the day and offered a previously unattainable level of performance.
The only successful new jet OEM to date since LearJet is Embraer, they are actually delivering what they promised, fully functioning, from day one.
The only real comparison between Eclipse and Lear is avionics functionality, although based on recent media reports the Lear would seem to win out on that one too.
I think Bill Lear was clearly a vissionary, but it begs the question, was the LearJet really that far ahead of its time, or is the Eclipse really that far behind the times?
ASPCNDA Disclaimer - No NDA's were harmed in the forming of this opinion/satire. Any scenes appearing to place NDA's in jeopardy were simulated.
I really appreciate and respect your commitment to the cause but I think your comparison to Lear is ill-formed.
I partially agree with both you and Baron. I think Eclipse has to receive a lot of negative points because they haven't actually delivered one complete jet as promised and they've got tens of millions of dollars in IOUs outstanding before they could be considered to have done one completed delivery. I don't think we can know how far or near the mark Eclipse is compared to Lear until BK filings are made and everyone gets to look under Eclipse's hood to see the exact expenses, the exact money in the bank, the exact certification status, etc.
They do in fact have between 70 and 100% of the VLJ market at this time, depending on how you define it.
define it more narrowly, perhaps you will make a better point?
The definition is BS.
One should have defined the VLJ market as "smaller revolutionary personal transport jet aircraft"
After all, THIS is the driver for lower cost and higher volume...
...which is sorely lacking in the current eclipse business case...
except for the bad smell...
;)
“They do in fact have between 70 and 100% of the VLJ market at this time, depending on how you define it.”
This would only be true if you define VLJ as a flying toy - a novelty taken out of the hangar on a sunny cloudless Sunday afternoon. Every climb to altitude in a jet requires crossing the freezing level. With visible moisture there is the prospect of airframe and engine ice. A functional jet aircraft, even a very light one, requires the ability and approval to operate in known icing conditions. Without that approval Eclipse can’t run with the other dogs, but must lie under the porch.
Hey Vern, I though we should go back in the Wayback Machine about Avio:
“Avio is one of the major innovations that make the low purchase price of the Eclipse 500 possible,” said Vern Raburn, president and CEO of Eclipse Aviation. “Today's announcement just scratches the surface of what Avio will deliver. Avio is pervasive in the Eclipse 500 and will benefit many aspects of aircraft operation. We will unfold the complete story over the months to come...”
Avio Features for Pilots
- Flight Guidance and Control
- Dual 3-axis autopilots
- Flight management system
- Aircraft performance computer
- Auto-throttle
- Situational Awareness
- Weather RADAR
- Traffic information services (TIS)
- Automatic dependent surveillance broadcast ? B (ADS-B)
- Terrain avoidance warning system ? B (TAWS-B)
- Communication and Navigation
- Dual VHF com/nav
- Dual localizer and glidescope
- Dual mode S transponder
- Dual global positioning system (GPS)
- Dual attitude and heading reference system (AHRS) with air data computer
- Active route moving map
- Flight path predictor
- Emergency locator transmitter (ELT)
- VNAV and LNAV
- Data loader
- Operational Capability
- Reduced vertical separation minimums (RVSM) capable
Eclipse will provide enhancements to the Avio system, which can be incorporated easily and inexpensively via software installations, made possible by the open architecture on the Eclipse 500.
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/index.php?option=com_newsroom&task=viewpr&id=337&Itemid=52
How about this?:
Eclipse is currently in the process of attaining certification for Avio NG and will retrofit at the company’s expense all current Eclipse 500 aircraft with Avio NG by the end of 2007, ensuring a homogeneous Eclipse 500 fleet. Avio NG has already been installed and is flying in two flight test aircraft. Eclipse expects certification of Avio NG by the end of October. An Avio NG demonstrator is on display for the first time at Eclipse’s AirVenture 2007 exhibit.
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/index.php?option=com_newsroom&task=viewpr&id=1287&Itemid=52
So how does Avio/EA500 stack up to the 777 and F-22 now?:
The makers of Avio make lofty claims for the system, developed specifically for the Eclipse 500. Not only is it thought to be the most integrated suite ever to fly in a business or general aviation aircraft, Eclipse also believes it offers more functionality within one system than even that of the relatively recent Boeing 777. Company president and chief executive Vern Raburn describes Avio as one of the three defining "legs" of the project, along with two other technological breakthroughs - the Williams International EJ22 turbofan and large-scale manufacturing based on friction-stir welding.
The Avio system makes the Eclipse 500 "the most electronic and computerised aircraft the general aviation industry has seen. We can't think of any other civil aircraft that comes close. The only examples are in the military world - the [Bell Boeing] V-22 and [Lockheed Martin/Boeing] F-22, that's the level of integration we've talking about", Raburn says.
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/index.php?option=com_newsroom&task=viewarticle&id=355&Itemid=51
baron 95 ...
yes you're right ...!
in Germany , drawing a Nazi's symbol can put you pretty much in the deep-s...t !
but after more than 30 millions dead for the the sake of this symbol , arguing about "freedom of speech" is a bit much ...
Exactly the same with Stalin ! he killed his own people by millions , so for you "extremism " is ok if it is a consequence of freedom ?
as for the jailing procedure of most European Countries , please , come to live here for a while , you'll understand that NOWHERE system is perfect ... (but just compare incarcerated population both in its average in USA and E.U. )
but as to be jailed for indefinite length of time or without being charged of anything : please , don't set-up such a trap where i would fall writing about "Guantanamo" and what has been on there for already too many years ! pushing others to think " that jerk is just being anti-americans !"
in a precedent post , you wrote about me writing on "high school level knowledge" ...
yes , i confess !
very often i "lecture" others !
but it is only intended to make others aware of this simple fact :
"if you believe only half of what is said about a country foreign to most of us (Russia) then why don't you believe anyone saying anything ?"
( just to give you an example : as soon as i will be back to Rodina , it could be very easy for me to have photos taken with 50% of most rich or/and powerful peoples in Russia including me in the frame ... does it mean i can do what i wish tomorrow in this country ?
No , just by respect for them , i wouldn't even want it this way !!)
so why in a conversation about commercial potential of a plane manufacturer ? (should it be called a "plane" in the first place ?)
because if some others in ANY place of earth are saying what Vern/EAC/Etirc is saying on a place which remain "somewhere else" for most ...
well , it is not technically a lie , more a lie by omission (of so many aspects )
exactly the same with the law suit = what i wrote is about this precise aspect of stuff : Vern do such madness (instead of putting his efforts where they really should be !) for a show-off !
what is to be gained in this ? apart Ego-satisfaction , NOTHING !
( as you wrote , i am never serious-LOOKING , i prefer go thru life with a big smile ... but try to touch only one person i like or try to grab only one of MY cents , i will become your worst nightmare , believe me on such : i am really a ruthless stubborn bastard !sorry shane ! as much as in the past ,Buffoon were always the one to say openly the most painful truth , only hiding behind a joke ... ! sorry it is a difference of education : i always preferred a farcical genius to a boringly "just average" )
what is to be lost ?
money , credibility , etc ...
a bit like when you write "E500 can be operated in E.U. on US Reg. N° "
technically speaking : yes , BUT !
it is exactly what made me react the first time on E500 ...
someone "Crafting" words about some other places most may have an idea , but not an "everyday experience" ...
Operated : yes it this mean "flown" ! not at all allowed for "commercial use"
"setting-up the proper firm/trust/entity " =
what for ? if you want to own E500 : fine , you can do it on US Reg. N° ...
( by the way if it is possible (yes , IT IS!) to fly "personally" this bird in E.U. , why sales in this part of the world are not picking-up ? with €/$ spread = it is a bargain ...!!)
why having a "moral entity" ? because if the bird is the property of a firm , who can fly the bird ? the CEO of the firm !
i am not sure ANY other person wouldn't be considered as "already a commercial use" (which is NOT permitted !)
i am not try to show-off or saying you're lying ...
i am just pointing-out that in ANY part of the world , if you do not have an "everyday practice " of a said spot in its raw reality , then what you think you know may be untrue !
and if you believe someone saying something about a far away place where " pure gold is running in rivers " it is your problem if you do not want to see for yourself ...
just for you understanding : in past (less and less now) i explained to quite a few Russians that "In USA , peoples don't go out in streets with 5 rifles , 6 handguns and 2 grenades "
and "No , not everybody is living in a much too big house on ocean-front ..."
why did i do this ? only because Somebody told them it was that way ....!!
i hope you understand what is the link now ?
This notice shall confirm my affirmation that I be represented by Norman Malinski, Esq. in all proceedings under that legal action currently referenced in the Superior Court of California as
ECLIPSE AVIATION CORPORATION, Plaintiff vs. JOHN DOE; JANE DOE; ET AL, Defendants
Case No.: 108CV110380
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