tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post8535503639716191079..comments2023-09-17T04:46:20.879-07:00Comments on Eclipse Aviation Critic NG: ECLIPSE AVIATION DISCLOSES DETAILS OF RUSSIAN PLANTShane Pricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comBlogger233125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-3535397251848876292008-10-02T08:15:00.000-07:002008-10-02T08:15:00.000-07:00New post up.And Gadfly, thanks for that joke. I'm ...New post up.<BR/><BR/>And Gadfly, thanks for that joke. I'm still laughing...<BR/><BR/>ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-30364836353651311542008-10-02T07:19:00.000-07:002008-10-02T07:19:00.000-07:00by the way , baron , i managed to be invited to th...by the way , baron , i managed to be invited to the Paris car show on the day open for pros (much better since there isn't the limitations for public , you can really touch ,smell , and seat any car ...)<BR/><BR/>the California is real killer !<BR/><BR/>bit expensive (200.000€ +) but definitely a nice one ...<BR/><BR/>sorry for digressing !fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-22011664865066430632008-10-02T07:12:00.000-07:002008-10-02T07:12:00.000-07:00Good point Baron95. Normally this would be the cas...Good point Baron95. Normally this would be the case. Since the most active portion of this fleet is now parked, getting a maintenance slot in the service centers should be easier.FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-30064338735834005822008-10-02T07:02:00.000-07:002008-10-02T07:02:00.000-07:00This AD is just making sure the existing Eclipse S...This AD is just making sure the existing Eclipse SBs are complied with - I'd imagine that the vast majority of the planes have had this done already.<BR/><BR/>But there is no question that the pitot/AOA system on this plane was not properly designed.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-1949406689817561552008-10-02T06:31:00.000-07:002008-10-02T06:31:00.000-07:00Caution: Tasteless Joke Ahead, Turn Back Now!Sadl...Caution: Tasteless Joke Ahead, Turn Back Now!<BR/><BR/>Sadly it appears that Steve Fossett has not been searching for additional funding for Eclipse Aviation for the last year. The search for the record-setting adventurer and aviator in now centered in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California.Black Tuliphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04657938226341343450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-71236923547510163552008-10-02T06:16:00.000-07:002008-10-02T06:16:00.000-07:00ooouuupppss !i take this #Have Eclipse actually co...ooouuupppss !<BR/><BR/>i take this <BR/>#Have Eclipse actually completed (TM eclipse) a Partial Eclipse with GARVIONfG or FIKI yet?#<BR/><BR/>as an answer to the question about Fiki (i made a typo here , i put kiki before correcting , may be that the cert. they achieved ?? ...;-)) ) <BR/><BR/><BR/>silly me , but i get a bit lost in all the versions , the ones which existed and has been sold , but not Fiki , the supposed to be Fiki but not sold or produced and the ones made and sold but supposed to have Fiki in a later month /year/century ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-62167829488905376022008-10-02T06:05:00.000-07:002008-10-02T06:05:00.000-07:00Have Eclipse actually completed (TM eclipse) a Par...Have Eclipse actually completed (TM eclipse) a Partial Eclipse with GARVIONfG or FIKI yet?FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-76960875195914343012008-10-02T06:03:00.000-07:002008-10-02T06:03:00.000-07:00#as A/C owners have been registering their A/C to ...#as A/C owners have been registering their A/C to US trusts, to avoid european regulatory requirements.#<BR/><BR/>i have heard that officials in this side wants to get ride of this "particularity" ...<BR/><BR/>a bit the same than with cars , a certain period were one can be allowed (tolerate NOT legal) and at the end of period get out , change and comply or face the regulations ...<BR/><BR/>Julius , guten tag !<BR/><BR/>what do you mean by "no experience" i thought the Fpj was Fiki Cert. (at least in USA) ???fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-87221520721573063622008-10-02T05:57:00.000-07:002008-10-02T05:57:00.000-07:00As with any N registered private A/C in Europe (an...As with any N registered private A/C in Europe (and there are probably thousands of them), you just need an A&P to sign off the maintenance and and IA to sign of the annual. <BR/><BR/>What is legal is not necessarily good maintenance. Having your A&P troubleshoot the multiple related failures which an AVIO system seems capable of producing sounds like a recipe for a frustratingly long AOG.<BR/><BR/>I would imagine that Eclipse is just as flexible with its requirement to have maintenance performed only by service centers, as they were about requiring real deposits.<BR/><BR/>As for European authorities avoiding the Eclipse, I would guess it is not actually that easy for them to ever encounter one. The plane spotters stand for hours at the end of runways trying to photograph unusual A/C, and have only produced a handful of pictures. <BR/><BR/>But you are probably correct. The state of registry is the USA. So the european NAA's are probably happy to see these as SEP (someone elses problem). <BR/><BR/>The FAA has to fufill their ICAO oversight obligations. If one of these things causes an accident or significant incident in Europe, I could imagine the EU commission getting stuck into the lack of oversight. This is an issue which has been rumbling under the surface for years, as A/C owners have been registering their A/C to US trusts, to avoid european regulatory requirements.FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-25340632119042902772008-10-02T05:50:00.000-07:002008-10-02T05:50:00.000-07:00Freedom...Eclipse's EA500 got AD'd again on Monday...Freedom...<BR/><I><BR/>Eclipse's EA500 got AD'd again on <BR/>Monday.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>that is just the old one becomming effective - a gift of Mr. Hickey to the FPJ harddies.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Hickey (FAA) just "supported" his customer EAC, in certifying this pitot system...(look at the paper of the hearing and the ADs!).<BR/><BR/>That's just another reason not to buy the DayJet junk.<BR/><BR/>BTW: Who pays Dayjets parking fees (if there are any fees)? <BR/> <BR/>Julius<BR/>P.S: Up to now there is no experience with the pitot system in know ice condtions. Perhaps it's better to advance retrofit of the FIKI-addons to March/April 2009...juliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13294426608276923429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-22303796154858063422008-10-02T05:06:00.000-07:002008-10-02T05:06:00.000-07:00THANKS a lot !!6 ? that seems to be quite a lot f...THANKS a lot !!<BR/><BR/>6 ? that seems to be quite a lot for me (giving the fact that Cert. flight conditions)<BR/><BR/>me too (if they are really owned by individuals ) i really wonder what they are supposed to do ...<BR/><BR/>i am tempted to think that officials in E.U. are avoiding them like a plague ...<BR/>(not to cause a precedent !)<BR/><BR/>anyway , if it is individuals owners (and not some "clever" ones trying to avoid anything ...) they must have "Cojones" real big !!<BR/><BR/>no maintenance facility in the whole of E.U. would push me off like a toothless baboushka trying to kiss me ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-32200382009942764122008-10-02T04:34:00.000-07:002008-10-02T04:34:00.000-07:00Tough question.Someone here posted the Flight Awar...Tough question.<BR/><BR/>Someone here posted the Flight Aware track summary of the the registration which had headed of across the ditch. <BR/><BR/>Airliners.net has records of 8 eclipse in Europe, of which two (N505EA and N514 EA) are Demonstrators aren't they?<BR/><BR/>The others are:<BR/>N545MA<BR/>N36FD<BR/>N100VA<BR/>N502TS<BR/>N27052<BR/>N500UK<BR/><BR/>Considering how active the european Plane spotting community is, either the European based Eclipses are not flying much, or they are very good at avoiding the plane spotters.<BR/><BR/>Given that the CIA was busted by the plane spotters, I would put my bet on the former.FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-24175253156869158002008-10-02T04:03:00.000-07:002008-10-02T04:03:00.000-07:00freedom : do you have any data on how many are own...freedom : <BR/><BR/>do you have any data on how many are own in Europe ( by something else than the empty shell called Etirc) ?<BR/><BR/>thanks in advance ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-26347417550961490342008-10-02T04:00:00.000-07:002008-10-02T04:00:00.000-07:00freedom :don't worry ...they don't !but as far as ...freedom :<BR/><BR/>don't worry ...<BR/>they don't !<BR/><BR/>but as far as i know , it is not really a concern in Europe as for the numbers around ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-52754424646400890562008-10-02T03:51:00.000-07:002008-10-02T03:51:00.000-07:00So S/N 1 thru 189 are all limited to day VFR until...So S/N 1 thru 189 are all limited to day VFR until the probes are tested. How practical. <BR/><BR/>I wonder how the operators of N registered EA500's in Europe are getting to an Eclipse service center to do this maintenance test, to avoid losing their warranty?FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-55191732536177589002008-10-02T03:28:00.000-07:002008-10-02T03:28:00.000-07:00Eclipse's EA500 got AD'd again on Monday.2008-19-0...Eclipse's EA500 got AD'd again on Monday.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/F6B883019CD7ABE5862574BF00505EA0?OpenDocument" REL="nofollow">2008-19-01</A>FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-40720968808646162052008-10-01T23:43:00.000-07:002008-10-01T23:43:00.000-07:00baron :# Hardly so. floor prices can be negative. ...baron :<BR/><BR/># Hardly so. floor prices can be negative. #<BR/><BR/>yes , but then who would be .... (insert yourself word like stupid ,nuts , lunatic enough ,etc..) to buy ?<BR/><BR/>never heard the sentence " no deal is better than bad deal "<BR/><BR/>you can have a good example with the bizz-bank "Bears" :<BR/>it got bankrupt with much too many bad liabilities ...<BR/>Got bought by JPMorgan , BECAUSE the feds were handing the $ to buy it ...<BR/>(otherwise ? the - would have been paid by tax-payers , which is exactly what did happen ,the feds just gave it a respectable upfront !)<BR/><BR/>it is a good example of this here problem :<BR/>even if JPM bought for next to nothing , with so much bad assets and unknown ,at the time, implications , without the feds-funds the deal was a no-go !<BR/><BR/>the same with EA500 :<BR/><BR/>the Commercial value is 0<BR/>(because at the time being no one can say if it will end-up as a flying jet or a boat-anchor ...)<BR/><BR/>the residual value can be negative !<BR/>if no one want to buy the parked EA500 , DJ is dissolved as a firm , debts and unpaid bills are supposed to be paid by what is left-over , in that case (if no one buys) the "assets" become themselves a negative value ( as you've written well :" someone would be paid to do "chop-chop in desert")<BR/><BR/>the two are very compatible :<BR/><BR/>the COMMERCIAL value can be 0 and the residual value can be negative at the same time ...!<BR/><BR/>what is the difference :<BR/><BR/>Commercial Value is paid by buyers <BR/><BR/>residual value is often paid by tax-payers ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-63963914106273579472008-10-01T22:46:00.000-07:002008-10-01T22:46:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-74609391908612661352008-10-01T19:57:00.000-07:002008-10-01T19:57:00.000-07:00Niner Zulu said... EAC is a contaminated "superfun...<I>Niner Zulu said... <BR/>EAC is a contaminated "superfund" site,<BR/> </I><BR/><BR/>At least one of the "contaminants" - Füher Vern Raburn - has been removed ;) <BR/><BR/>As to cealing up Generalissimo Pieper - well, that is another story ;)Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-787220026222075942008-10-01T18:27:00.000-07:002008-10-01T18:27:00.000-07:00Dave Said...."I noticed that Eclipse's VP of Suppl...Dave Said...."I noticed that Eclipse's VP of Supply Chain Bill Bonder is no longer is apparently no longer there. Is this new?"<BR/><BR/>Come on Dave, you're slipping. Bill Bonder's last day at Eclipse was June 12th. What took you so long? ;)Delbert Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125664041806004166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-82026933757568071662008-10-01T18:11:00.000-07:002008-10-01T18:11:00.000-07:00I wouldn't pay $500,000 for one of Dayjet's aircra...I wouldn't pay $500,000 for one of Dayjet's aircraft. I wouldn't even pay $100,000, because I agree with Baron95: EAC is a contaminated "superfund" site, and jumping into bed with EAC means having to deal with a whole lot of issues that I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with.<BR/><BR/>Add the uncertainty of whether EAC will survive as a company and if your E500 will become a boat anchor, and the fun meter starts heading towards zero.<BR/><BR/>Nope. Don't need it. At any price.<BR/><BR/>A whole lot of downside, and relatively little upside. Before I'd buy an Eclipse I'd go for an older fuel-hog Citation I SP - at least it's a known quantity.<BR/><BR/>And to think, just 2 years ago at this time I was almost ready to plonk down a deposit. Thank God for unanswered prayers!Niner Zuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03832225359912318881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-89517198274916163032008-10-01T17:29:00.000-07:002008-10-01T17:29:00.000-07:00When looking at Julius link to AIN, the following ...When looking at Julius link to AIN, the following 3 articles were listed on the same page:<BR/><BR/>Boca Raton, Fla.-based DayJet–the per-seat, on-demand charter operator of the Eclipse 500– ceased operations and let go most of its approximately 150 employees on September 19,<BR/><BR/>Phenom 100s<BR/><BR/>JetBird is due to take delivery of the first Phenom 100 in April- a VLJ charter fleet in Europe<BR/><BR/>British air-taxi operator start-up FlairJet last month announced plans to start operations next May with a pair of Embraer Phenom 100s. It will lease the very light jets from an undisclosed Embraer customer in Europe that has 10 Phenom 100s on order.<BR/><BR/>So, the biggest Eclipse operator declares bankruptcy and slams Eclipse and two more companies start VLJ charter operations with Phenom 100s (and in Europe too). Good luck to Eclipse...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Turboprop_pilotTurboprop_pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03699307110210532832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-68452182000939847932008-10-01T15:28:00.000-07:002008-10-01T15:28:00.000-07:00You guys need a break, and since “some” have troub...You guys need a break, and since “some” have trouble with the “Queen’s English”, I’ll share with you the story of the “Bacon Tree”:<BR/><BR/> Back in the wild west (of the United States), a westbound wagon train was lost and very low on food. No other people had been seen for days.<BR/><BR/>Unexpectedly, they saw an old Jewish man sitting beneath a tree. The leader rushed up to him and said, "We're lost. Is there someplace ahead where we can get food?" <BR/><BR/>"Vell," the old Jewish man said, "I vould definitely NOT go over dat hill. Somevun told me you'll run into a big bacon tree."<BR/><BR/>"A bacon tree!!!!?" asked the wagon train leader. <BR/><BR/>"Yah, yah ah bacon tree. Trust me. For nutting vud I lie."<BR/><BR/>The leader goes back and tells his people what the Jewish man had told him. <BR/><BR/>"So why did he say not to go there?" some pioneers asked. "Oh, you know the Jewish folks - they don't eat bacon."<BR/><BR/>So the wagon train goes up the hill and down the other side. <BR/><BR/>About an hour later the leader of the wagon train returns to where the old Jewish man is sitting and enjoying his drink. He was disheveled and wounded. <BR/><BR/>The near-dead man starts shouting, "You fool! You sent us to our deaths! We followed your instructions, but there was no bacon tree . . . ‘just hundreds of Indians. They killed everyone but me."<BR/><BR/>The Jewish man holds up his hand and says, "Oy, vait a minute, vait a minute." He gets out an English-Yiddish dictionary and begins thumbing through it. "Oh mine Gott, I made myself ah big mistake. It vuz not a bacon tree. I mant to say it vuz a ham bush!"<BR/><BR/>gadfly<BR/><BR/>(‘Guilty of plagiarism, as charged!)gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13191372920897029941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-81582864254595916002008-10-01T15:25:00.000-07:002008-10-01T15:25:00.000-07:00Dave,No. I was 'informed' of Bill's departure a fe...Dave,<BR/><BR/>No. I was 'informed' of Bill's departure a few weeks ago, but with only one source did not put it up here at the time.<BR/><BR/>I've 'fired' people before and been wrong, hence my reluctance to repeat the mistake.<BR/><BR/>Can't say I blame the poor chap. Would you want to come into work every day and have suppliers demand money that you knew the company didn't have?<BR/><BR/>ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06571348452899329376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-19656332851735609282008-10-01T15:11:00.000-07:002008-10-01T15:11:00.000-07:00I noticed that Eclipse's VP of Supply Chain Bill B...I noticed that Eclipse's VP of Supply Chain Bill Bonder is no longer is apparently no longer there. Is this new?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301246864437379349noreply@blogger.com