tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post6939972763870689729..comments2023-09-17T04:46:20.879-07:00Comments on Eclipse Aviation Critic NG: Eclipse is dead, long live EclipskiShane Pricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comBlogger456125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-69368138569912471802009-02-13T07:33:00.000-08:002009-02-13T07:33:00.000-08:00BassMaster: In comparison to a the NY crash, a lot...BassMaster: In comparison to a the NY crash, a lot seems like BS.<BR/><BR/>BEG: Thanks for the kind words.<BR/><BR/>I am new to the blog, and I have no exposure to Eclipse losses. Maybe my best contribution is a fresh set of eyes. I also tried to add little levity.<BR/><BR/>Whether the buyout works depends on financial and business factors that are hard to analyze. There are lots of ifs, ands, or buts, and nuances. It makes for long posts and follow ups with clarifications.<BR/><BR/>I am humbled by the knowledge and intelligence of people on the blog, and IF I've been able to add to the discussion and/or thinking of anyone then I am happy to have done so.Jackrabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11820210297612325172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-14826089687741130312009-02-13T05:36:00.000-08:002009-02-13T05:36:00.000-08:00Flying, March 2009:Mac's article about the demise ...Flying, March 2009:<BR/><BR/>Mac's article about the demise of Eclipse sounds like a posting here. His points about the lasting damage to GA and a well reasoned argument against Baron95's postings about the good Wedge did (and they both fly old Barons).<BR/><BR/>Shane- you should get permission to re-post here, in case anyone doesn't read Flying.<BR/><BR/>Turboprop_pilotTurboprop_pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03699307110210532832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-57755659757387789702009-02-13T05:32:00.000-08:002009-02-13T05:32:00.000-08:00New, longer wing:BEG- I have to disagree with you ...New, longer wing:<BR/><BR/>BEG- I have to disagree with you about the wing. A new wing would have allowed:<BR/><BR/>Room for larger tires and anti-skid, eliminating the excessive wear, poor ride on the ground, and blow outs.<BR/><BR/>Longer wing: reduced angle of attack at highest altitudes, more area for reduced loading, more room for fuel, able to climb to max altitude in hotter conditions<BR/><BR/>Allow increase in max weight- with the excellent fuel consumption at altitude, a small increase in fuel capacity would comfortably bring the usable range up to the 1,100 miles +/- desired by most pilots and increase flexibility of the plane.<BR/><BR/>With a weight increase over 6,000 lbs, the exemptions needed from the FAA for accelerate/stop would be lost but the larger tires and anti-skid would make the numbers acceptable. Probably could have skipped some of the expensive steps to save weight too.<BR/><BR/>Couple this with a Garmin or L3 cockpit with a separate system for the electronic circuit breakers and Wedge would have had a very economical personal jet, priced at $2.5 million, with the best economics and speed of the class.<BR/><BR/>And no one would have invested with the realistic sales of 50-150 per year. Go figure.<BR/><BR/>Turboprop_pilotTurboprop_pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03699307110210532832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-50712418540207462902009-02-13T04:16:00.000-08:002009-02-13T04:16:00.000-08:00New post up.This thread has been one of our most s...New post up.<BR/><BR/>This thread has been one of our most stimulating in the year since I took over as custodian. Thanks to all who contributed, and a special word for the owners and pilots who helped inform the next 'headline post'.<BR/><BR/>ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-70108783009404876102009-02-13T02:27:00.000-08:002009-02-13T02:27:00.000-08:00Shane,Big puff of wind to blow away the smoke scre...Shane,<BR/><BR/>Big puff of wind to blow away the smoke screen.<BR/><BR/>What were the highest and lowest price paid for a PArtial Eclipse?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Would you like a fortune cookie with that order?FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-32533943816072020012009-02-13T02:05:00.000-08:002009-02-13T02:05:00.000-08:00Monsieur Shane May i respectfully add this ?like i...Monsieur Shane <BR/><BR/>May i respectfully add this ?<BR/><BR/>like in any Bubble , peoples starts to get back to their sens ...<BR/><BR/>reality strikes back !<BR/><BR/>the question would be :<BR/><BR/>"Why this group (bradley) is only acting now ?" <BR/><BR/>i would have thought ALL depositors would have come that this conclusion much before ... and there ACT in front of Judge ...<BR/><BR/>excepting a happy-end ????<BR/><BR/>incorrigible optimism ???fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-52704976667781549862009-02-13T01:50:00.000-08:002009-02-13T01:50:00.000-08:00There's a Spanner in the WorksThe original 'Bradle...<B>There's a Spanner in the Works</B><BR/><BR/>The original 'Bradley Group', who'd tried to extract more detail in the Chapter 11 and Section 353 hearings, have lodged an appeal with the Bankruptcy Court in Delaware.<BR/><BR/>Basically, they claim that EAI were NOT a 'buyer in good faith', in addition to breeching the 363 code as an 'insider'.<BR/><BR/>Add that to the FACT that Roel has failed to meet his obligations on the money front.<BR/><BR/>The Judge now has a difficult choice to make, one which will influence the outcome in a profound manner.<BR/><BR/>Don't know about you lot, but I think life just got very complicated down ABQ way....<BR/><BR/>ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-91775503645526855592009-02-13T01:07:00.000-08:002009-02-13T01:07:00.000-08:00i forgot , sorry !in 1929 , the main reason for th...i forgot , sorry !<BR/><BR/>in 1929 , the main reason for the Bubble that created the "big depression" was ...RADIO !<BR/><BR/>everybody was , then , convinced the speed of diffusion of informations would enable peoples to react fast enough to avoid loosing and ,hence , ONLY winning ...<BR/><BR/>Communism :<BR/><BR/>they were sure of creating a "new kind of man" so sure of this that they believed that anyone would control his blood-circulation by the strength of his own mind ...<BR/><BR/>John Law Bubble:<BR/><BR/>Louisiana was such a wonderful unknown place on earth that diamonds , gold and whatever would be picked-up by anyone wishing ...<BR/>funnily enough , the $ story in recent times is exactly the same ...<BR/><BR/>so , where is the next one ?<BR/><BR/>are we any different 200/300 years after ? <BR/><BR/>is it still the good old "Panen & Circenses" of Julius Caesar , some 2000 years ago ?<BR/><BR/>the Roman Empire was calling "Barbarious" anyone NOT taking their way of life ...<BR/><BR/>now , some others want to protect "their way of life " ...<BR/><BR/>the more it changes , the more it remain the same ...!fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-61872110863168246212009-02-13T00:55:00.000-08:002009-02-13T00:55:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-40510963175814529452009-02-13T00:20:00.000-08:002009-02-13T00:20:00.000-08:00Jack & dave :the russian deal is (was) part o...Jack & dave :<BR/><BR/>the russian deal is (was) part of a multi-folds plan to enhance industrial production by creating firms,jobs and prospects in the chosen zones ...<BR/><BR/><I>this is where i feel not so good as Etrick was ONLY a part of it ,a bit like one could isolate a wave into the ocean ...</I><BR/><BR/>With the whole downturn ,what is the point to pay fees , royalties or whatever UPFRONT ? <BR/><BR/><I> MY understanding of the plot is this : YES , Veb accepted the Fpj-plant as a "go for it" ...</I><BR/><BR/>but the conditions of the lending are PROBABLY different of what was touted by RP ( speculations , off-course , i doubt anyone will ever know REALLY !)<BR/><BR/>i feel that the condition were as such :<BR/>Loan granted by VEB for BUILDING the plant (not to run it , if the Bank would Build it , Run it , Finance it on day-to-day basis ,sell the planes , and sweep the floor at end of day = Question is : what do they need RP for ?)<BR/><BR/>SO , IF it can makes some sens to BUILD the plant on Russian Soil <BR/>(to create jobs , to attract sides-business such hotels for clients visiting plant , etc ...etc...)<BR/><BR/>it make , in revenge ABSOLUTELY no sens for the Russians to give money for something still in the void and to keep ABQ open ... (in fact it would like throwing a handful of coins up in the air and predict where they are going to fall down ... Ru or ABQ ? ABQ or RU ...?)<BR/><BR/>this is where the version <I>"could be" or "are different"</I> and are dangerously close to what did happen <I> "under some others skies , in some others times ..." </I> (the story about L&H ...i won't insult anyone in reminding that one of the best way to explain a plot is to look for common denominator , which in the case IS RP ...)<BR/><BR/>at the time was : inflated order-book , completely artificial accountancy and last but not least :presence of some "foreign interests" ... (asians , if memory serve me well!)<BR/><BR/><I>does it remind anyone of anything ? </I><BR/><BR/>in other way :<BR/>the lending make more sens IF it is a loan granted to a project Sustained by a Russian (the President of Etirc is D.Bolotin who is supposed to be rich )<BR/><BR/>then , the VEB-story become more like a tree hiding the forest ...but take much more sens ...!<BR/><BR/>from a State-project (not making really too much sens) to a private collateral bizz project ...(which would be infinitely more normal and would explain so better the present situation ...) <BR/><BR/>so actually it wouldn't be a state-apparatus trying to find how can chew something ... but more normally the relation between a bank (which happens to belong to the state ,meant for re-developing soviet-neglected areas ...) and one of its client (even if it happen to be a rich one and willing to take opportunity raised by Govt to develop some areas ...<BR/>EVEN if it sounds much less glamorous than <I>"the biggest country in World falling in love for Fpj"</I> ....) <BR/><BR/>you see ALL bubbles have the same characteristics :<BR/><BR/>*it is big <BR/>*it is unprecedented <BR/>*it is to change old order <BR/>*it rely on things no one really understand at time of appearance<BR/>*it is commonly explained by the same ones who do NOT understand or know everything by already-made concept such as : <I>"you do not see the big picture"</I> or <I>"this is progress, why do you refuse it?"</I> .... some even use the <B> I Remain Amused </B><BR/><BR/>do you see some already known , in this ? do you recognize anything ?fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-45320489077688247702009-02-12T23:40:00.000-08:002009-02-12T23:40:00.000-08:00Who rained on Basmasters Parade?If you don't like ...Who rained on Basmasters Parade?<BR/><BR/>If you don't like the posters style just skip the posts.<BR/><BR/>I would guess that the only posters who I always read are KEN, EA500S, BT, CWMR and my own :)FreedomsJamtartshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240818544017409683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-54195805333333344382009-02-12T23:25:00.000-08:002009-02-12T23:25:00.000-08:00Hi Bass,Well, regarding no FIKI Eclipse birds yet,...Hi Bass,<BR/>Well, regarding no FIKI Eclipse birds yet, seems like someone posted that FIKI was conducted simultaneously with EASA cert, not sure why. Maybe FIKI ice boot control requires Avio-NG 1.5 xyz, which has not been retrofitted yet? Or maybe different boots need to be installed (I don't think so, but am not sure- seems like Eclipse was changing vendors- HA HA HA, sorry- that's par for the course with them).<BR/><BR/>Bass- your opinion??bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-62696681867568894842009-02-12T23:21:00.001-08:002009-02-12T23:21:00.001-08:00Contemplating the sad events with the -8, a conver...Contemplating the sad events with the -8, a conversation that I had with an old Bonanza driver friend, earlier this week, came to mind- he was relating a 1 inch ice build up that forced him to land 20 miles short of his desired destination, and stay there for 36 hours. He was smart, and knew when to call it quits, and didn't try to squeak in the last 20 miles.<BR/><BR/>I don't have any really bad icing experience, so maybe others can comment for the sake of my fellow neophytes:<BR/><BR/>My Bonanza friend mentioned a too-often icing scenerio is:<BR/>1) Speed goes down for flap extension<BR/>2) Flaps go down, center of lift shifts aft<BR/>3) Elevator deflection increased to compensate for pitch down moment<BR/>4) Horizontal tail is already degraded due to ice accumulation, with added elevator deflection, the tail stalls, the nose drops, and added drag from ice and low altitude on approach doesn't allow enough margin for recovery.<BR/><BR/>I'm not speculating on the cause of the -8 accident; rather, to help prevent any of us from getting in an accident, I'd appreciate comments.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-4004380493171061492009-02-12T23:21:00.000-08:002009-02-12T23:21:00.000-08:00BEG I see your point. But...Jack is an aviation en...BEG I see your point. But...Jack is an aviation enthusiast and ex wall street guy. Let's get down to EAC though. Does anyone know the weakest link in FIKI for the 500?...the ONE reason that no FIKI bird exists?<BR/>---BassholeBassMasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811119527179699146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-24373970119302683982009-02-12T22:59:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:59:00.000-08:00JackRabbit,Regarding Bassmaster's comments directe...JackRabbit,<BR/><BR/>Regarding Bassmaster's comments directed your way, I (re-)offer the following:<BR/><BR/>Feb 10- Goat:<BR/><I>"Jackrabbit,<BR/>Welcome- you're putting up a lot of good info- and putting up with a lot- two valuable traits!!"</I><BR/><BR/>I think JackRabbit has been making fantastic posts, and stimulating the blog- the past three days have been some of the best reading ever. The thoughts are deep, and have spurred much independent reading on my part.<BR/><BR/>Finance, global politics, metallurgy, airplanes- it really has been top notch reading. Thanks to everyone who's been contributing <B>ESPECIALLY</B> Jackrabbit, and <B>ESPECIALLY</B> for his numerous and detailed posts.<BR/><B>JACK,</B><BR/><B>PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!</B><BR/><B>ALL OF IT !!</B>bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-81858671952386963052009-02-12T22:47:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:47:00.000-08:00Bassmaster,Ah, welcome back (ah, I think .)The cra...Bassmaster,<BR/>Ah, welcome back (ah, I think .)<BR/><BR/>The crash you mention is bad- sketchy details: Approach to Buffalo NY, 10 miles out, 10:10 PM, Dash 8-400Q, 48 on board, 1 on the ground.<BR/><BR/>I fear our icing discussion just a few days ago is pertinent- looks like the NOAA icing page shows BAD news- icing Airmets for the northeast (Minnesota-to-Ohio-to-Maine).<BR/><A HREF="http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/phputils/wrap_image.php" REL="nofollow">NOAA ADDS Icing</A><BR/><BR/>I hope our Eclipse operator friends employ proper prudence and airmanship, as I'm sure they have and will continue.bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-7954586847307414892009-02-12T22:32:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:32:00.000-08:00More blasts from the same pastWing Fittings, Nov 2...More blasts from the same past<BR/><A HREF="http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/11/wing-fittings-attached-photo-was-taken.html" REL="nofollow">Wing Fittings, Nov 27, 2006</A><BR/>----------------------------------<BR/>ATM:<BR/><I>"I work for an air taxi company and I am not that familiar with this end of the business...can anyone clarify? Is it fair to be skeptical about what is being said?"</I><BR/><BR/>Tsk Tsk, ATM. You were so trusting back then !! .)<BR/>---------------------------------<BR/><BR/>AeroObserver:<BR/><I>"Blogs might contain news, but that doesn't make them a news publication. They also contain opinion, speculation and plain flat out incorrect facts. If a newspaper or magazine contained all of these things, they'd quickly be sued and put out of business".</I><BR/><BR/>Heck- if they contain plain flat out correct facts, they're sued anyway!!<BR/> <BR/><B>OUR THANKS TO GUNNER FOR SMASHING THE SUIT !!</B><BR/><BR/><I>"Take what you read in blogs with a grain of salt -- be sure to check the "facts" that are posted. That said, this blog does raise some interesting questions. Questions are good...that's how we learn".</I><BR/><BR/>Right-O, AeroObserver !!<BR/>--------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Buckerfan:<BR/><I>"As I have reported on this blog, I was an Eclipse deposit holder for about 18 months and was an avid reader of the Eclipse "customers only" website. I have to tell you however, in the last few months your blog, Stan, has become a far more useful source of insight and critique of the Eclipse".</I><BR/><BR/>Right-O Buckerfan!! <BR/><BR/><B>THANKS TO STAN AND SHANE FOR A GREAT SITE !!</B><BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to know how Buckerfan fared with his adventure into Wedge-o-nomics.<BR/>---------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Also for our friends Ringtail, who "stood up" to Wedge's campaign to harass the public and intimidate the employees in a vain campaign bilk the aviation and investment community out of 100's of millions more dollars (probably, billions - and I do mean with an "s", literally).<BR/><BR/><B>THANKS RINGTAIL !!</B><BR/>--------------------------------<BR/>More from Buckerfan:<BR/><I>"Stan, perhaps your blog could become THE source for the nascent VLJ industry. Perhaps this could be a commercial venture, start to take a little advertising. I dont know where else people can go to find unfiltered news on the industry, with lots of insightful commentary. Just a thought. The need is certainly there".</I><BR/><BR/>Hmmmm. AviationWeek-NG ???<BR/>---------------------------------<BR/><BR/>NOW, THE REALLY JUICY PART !!!!<BR/>From Bambazonke, quoting Wedge (and remember, this is Nov 27, 2006):<BR/><BR/><I>"Eclipse fully intends to meet its obligation for the delivery schedule. We are positioned with an achievable plan to deliver approximately 10 aircraft in 2006 and 515 aircraft in 2007.</I><BR/><BR/><I>"The receipt of the six month progress payments is connected to the continued flow of parts to build your aircraft. This payment schedule is tied directly to the production schedule."</I><BR/><BR/><I>"We are asking that all of our customers work with us and support us during this transition from a development company to a production company. Now is the time for shared communication and mutual support."</I> <BR/><BR/><I>"We will continue to give you the information you need to prepare for your Eclipse 500 delivery. As our production process moves up the learning curve, we will project more specific aircraft delivery dates."</I> <BR/><BR/><I>"Eclipse is focused and committed to complete this production certification process and deliver your aircraft."</I><BR/><BR/><B>STAN:</B><BR/><B><I>"I have read and re-read and re-read and re-read Vern's statement. He is turning into a real silver-tounged devil."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Stan- you are the silver-tounged devil, with such a humble understatement !!!<BR/>:)bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-57751829980553040482009-02-12T22:27:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:27:00.000-08:00Thanks Zed. Looks like it is either a -8 or Q400. ...Thanks Zed. Looks like it is either a -8 or Q400. ---MasterBassterBassMasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811119527179699146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-9142313609417639492009-02-12T22:20:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:20:00.000-08:00MasterBasster-Why do you try so hard ?We believed ...MasterBasster-<BR/><BR/>Why do you try so hard ?<BR/><BR/>We believed you the first time !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-81336481807746293752009-02-12T22:14:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:14:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-68008429187729079032009-02-12T22:03:00.000-08:002009-02-12T22:03:00.000-08:00TurboProp_Pilot,"(FSW) A high volume "aluminum glu...TurboProp_Pilot,<BR/><I>"(FSW) A high volume "aluminum gluing" process with a continuous seam that is probably stronger than rivets..."</I><BR/><BR/>Yup. A continuous weld avoids stress concentration at rivets.<BR/><BR/><I>"The machine is big and very expensive (>$5 million) and the tooling is precision milled aluminum the size of the assembly to be FSWed, so is also very expensive and CANNOT BE EASILY MODIFIED."</I><BR/><BR/>Yup. Almost impossible to modify. We've discussed the aspects of HAZ (Heat Affected Zone). The fact the tool is aluminum, probably helps wick heat away quickly. This would seem to be a good thing- maybe Gadfly and Flyboymark can comment on this hypothesis.<BR/><BR/><I>"If Wedge had built prototypes with traditional rivets and found that the engines were inadequate, then the wing could have been easily redesigned with longer span and more area, eliminating the need for tip tanks."</I> <BR/><BR/>Nope.<BR/><BR/>Not to disagree, but I seem to be the only one who thinks the wing really IS adequate.<BR/><BR/>1) The tip tanks were an add-on to contain fuel expansion.*<BR/> <BR/>2) And, stall speed is really low (69 knots, per Eclipse web site). I would imagine to add more fuel later, they were just lengthened to minimize the increased drag that would accompany an increase in diameter.<BR/><BR/>3) And, cruise speed is good (an arguable point: what's good? Well, slightly faster than a Mustang).<BR/><BR/>4) And, the wing passed static test with flying colors, so to speak*.<BR/><BR/>So heck, maybe not perfect, but still, I think in all performance aspects, it appears to be an outstanding design.<BR/><BR/>*Where did I get this information? Some crazy blog- about 2 years ago !!<BR/>:)<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/11/wing-fittings-attached-photo-was-taken.html" REL="nofollow">"Wing Fittings" Nov 27, 2006</A>bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-13990155462816908702009-02-12T21:44:00.000-08:002009-02-12T21:44:00.000-08:00Dave I went back to look at a post from Zed on Fe...Dave I went back to look at a post from Zed on Feb. 9th. It shows the wording of a VEB LOI:<BR/><BR/><I>In compliance with the decision on the Bank’s participation in the project “Construction in the Ulianovsk Region of a Plant Engaged in Manufacture, Assembly and After-sale Service of Eclipse 500 Jets” adopted by Vnesheconombank’s Supervisory Board on 15 September 2008, the Bank will be in position to arrange the project financing in the amount of USD 205 million, USD 125 million of the said amount will be allocated for payment obligations (royalty) towards the owner of a patent on manufacturing Eclipse 500 aircrafts (USD 85 million will be paid until 23 January 2009, USD 40 million not later than 15 February 2009), subject to signing a loan agreement and fulfilling by ‘ETARUS’ CJSC all conditions precedent provided by the loan agreement.<BR/><BR/>We hope that this information might be helpful in verifying our interest to participate in the project “Construction in the Ulianovsk Region of a Plant Engaged in Manufacture, Assembly and After-sale Service of Eclipse 500 Jets” together with ETIRC Aviation S.a.r.l and ‘ETARUS’ CJSC.</I>?<BR/><BR/>I had assumed that this was produced on Sept 15th because it references a decision on that day. I had also assumed that Shane's "written assurances" were different.<BR/><BR/>But maybe this was the written assurance that was provided to the BK court, or to ETRIC prior to the BK!? And yes, it is just an LOI.Jackrabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11820210297612325172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-6794900444249359902009-02-12T21:40:00.000-08:002009-02-12T21:40:00.000-08:00I forgot to mention the souls that WERE NOT ABOARD...I forgot to mention the souls that WERE NOT ABOARD the plane. But again Jackrabbit I don't get to this blog too often anymore but when I do I have to sift through your BS apparently enabled by my good friend ;) BEG...not to mention GADs and EDTs crazy ass geriatric rants. <BR/>Again---humbly I should rename myself assholemasster! ---BassBassMasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811119527179699146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-65692975044589757362009-02-12T21:32:00.000-08:002009-02-12T21:32:00.000-08:00We should pray for the souls onboard the commuter ...We should pray for the souls onboard the commuter that just went into a house in NY USA. Possibly a DH -8. With Jackrabbit spouting about world economies and everyone else following suite with a bunch of BS just thought I'd come in and break things up a bit. The last few days have been nothing but speculating about Russian currency and what not. Save your keyboard keys for something better folks. ---Bassmaster the AssholeBassMasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811119527179699146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-84751611009494745062009-02-12T21:08:00.000-08:002009-02-12T21:08:00.000-08:00Dave:From Shane's earlier post:VEB gave ETIRC writ...Dave:<BR/><BR/>From Shane's earlier post:<BR/><I>VEB gave ETIRC written assurances that the money was going to made available.</I><BR/><BR/>That seems stronger than an LOI. But yes, it doesn't say what legal or business form those assurances came in.Jackrabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11820210297612325172noreply@blogger.com