tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post3349785932736062954..comments2023-09-17T04:46:20.879-07:00Comments on Eclipse Aviation Critic NG: A few lessons learnedShane Pricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comBlogger321125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-2337762778607888552009-06-22T14:21:22.230-07:002009-06-22T14:21:22.230-07:00I'm nearly finished guys (and gals) so I persu...I'm nearly finished guys (and gals) so I persuaded our 'blog satirist' to produce a special, just for me.<br /><br />Being a nice guy, he's allowed me to share it with you....<br /><br />Enjoy 'my' penultimate headline post, number 106 since I started back on the 16th of February 2008.<br /><br />But fear not, friends. Another has agreed (silly blogger) to take up the challenge!<br /><br />All will be revealed at the end of the month.<br /><br />In the meantime, laugh (or cry) as Black Tulip magically moves us ten years into the future, as only he can...<br /><br />Shane<br />PS. That means there's a <b>NEW HEADLINE POST UP</b> in case you're in any doubt...Shane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181451780244241883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-68861550723863046752009-06-22T13:48:12.726-07:002009-06-22T13:48:12.726-07:00"I'll self moderate."
Baron,
Dont ..."I'll self moderate."<br /><br />Baron,<br /><br />Dont take this too far. When you are on your medication, your posts are superb!WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-87411201055152351122009-06-22T13:31:17.439-07:002009-06-22T13:31:17.439-07:00Jim Howard - I'll self moderate. Point well ta...Jim Howard - I'll self moderate. Point well taken.<br /><br />Here is the connection...<br /><br />Eclipse, with the massive infusion of funding, and all the advantages and disadvantages that came with it, could ONLY happen in America. You can argue that it was a failure, but it got farther then all the incrementalist approaches like Adam and Grob and the like.<br /><br />Current GA/BizAv VLJs are only produced in America.<br /><br />BizAv/GA Light Jets are only produced in the US and Brazil (with all the Phenoms to-date only delivered to the US).<br /><br />VLJ/LJ engines are primarily only designed/made in North America.<br /><br />VLJ/LJ avionics are primarily only designed/made in the North America.<br /><br />Yet, BEG is very worried about foreigners.<br /><br />While, me, I'm worried about the destruction of BizAv that our OWN elected American politicians created with demonizing GA/BizAv.<br /><br />See?<br /><br />It is usually the snake that you don't see or that you think is friendly that gets you. It is never the two headed dragon (be it Japan in the 80s or China in the 00s) that you are looking at.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-26388152259286220572009-06-22T13:25:08.811-07:002009-06-22T13:25:08.811-07:00There is still excellent aviation related content ...<i>There is still excellent aviation related content in the comments, but increasingly these useful comments are being drowned out by these long rambling off-topic diatribes.</i><br /><br />These things tend to self-correct. When something with Eclipse happens, the talk will be about Eclipse.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301246864437379349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-33706836502555478682009-06-22T13:14:26.743-07:002009-06-22T13:14:26.743-07:00And that was in California - the highest tax/energ...And that was in California - the highest tax/energy state and the most regulated environment in the US.<br /><br />Cool, huh?Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-42791029328744425992009-06-22T13:13:32.875-07:002009-06-22T13:13:32.875-07:00Present for you BEG....
The CEO of Tesla Motors s...Present for you BEG....<br /><br />The CEO of Tesla Motors said Monday that the material cost of the electric car company's Roadster sports car has dropped to about $80,000, which should help the company reach profitability next month.<br /><br />Elon Musk said in a blog post on Tesla's Web site that the material cost, which is the total cost of the parts and components that make up each vehicle, was as high as $140,000 in the summer of 2007.<br /><br /><b>Musk said a key step toward lowering the costs was moving production of the vehicle's battery packs from a factory in Asia to the San Carlos, Calif.-based company's home state. </b><br /><br />"This may sound counterintuitive, but <b>our unit cost actually went down and quality improved as we went to a more automated system and could iterate quickly with engineering to find design efficiencies </b>, " Musk said.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-13342668894866553652009-06-22T12:51:45.149-07:002009-06-22T12:51:45.149-07:00"or spend it like tomorrow will never exist w..."or spend it like tomorrow will never exist with cars , alcohol , girls , jets , etc ..."<br /><br />If only I had figured this out at an early age!WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-74604597961996314592009-06-22T12:48:26.954-07:002009-06-22T12:48:26.954-07:00"It was even more shocking to read another ow..."It was even more shocking to read another owner's caution about filing a NASA report on the event, lest the entire fleet risk grounding"<br /><br />from the very beginning, the DNA of EAC was completely in line with the above comment - the BIGGEST reason to never do business with them.airtaximanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977944795556689805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-33156425218580820122009-06-22T12:45:16.271-07:002009-06-22T12:45:16.271-07:00Billy :
yes , you are right !
Only short-term ; ...Billy :<br /><br />yes , you are right !<br /><br />Only short-term ; if not enough shorter-term ...<br /><br />one of the thing that most seems to forget :<br /><br />in a capitalistic system , what is the most important notion ?<br /><br />A: Richness Creation !<br /><br />when you make too many deficits of all sorts = where is this Creation ??? <br /><br />it might be compensated by inflation of monetary masses which create the illusion ...<br /><br />but it never last very long !<br /><br />that is the story of the Jobless borrowing a million $ ...<br /><br />he can live very well on this money ...<br />he can decide to have a simple life and earn the fruits of this money ...<br /><br />or spend it like tomorrow will never exist with cars , alcohol , girls , jets , etc ...<br /><br />when the million will have evaporate , this poor s.o.b. will be twice deeper in the shit :<br /><br />he will have to make a living AND reimburse the million !<br /><br />short-term is good ONLY for short-term ...<br /><br />the only other way out is the "Sun Follower strategy" ( a saying in High-Finances-World = "where is the best place for a financier ? A: where the sun shine for money !")<br /><br />with the demonstrated love for their respective countries , does readers want to be taken for "bag-holders" again ? <br /><br />(like in EAC , the ones professing the most interest are the ones staying in the shamble , now ... while Vern is enjoying fishing in a quiet spot !)fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-86941245502149483032009-06-22T12:34:11.857-07:002009-06-22T12:34:11.857-07:00BEG said:
"4) Socioeconomic mobility (versus...BEG said:<br /><br />"4) Socioeconomic mobility (versus stratification)"<br /><br />Hard to imagine a country where there is more potential mobility. Very few if any barriers to enterprising, hard working people. No class system, no govt dominated hirerechy, no military dominated hiererchy, etc. Yes, it takes some effort to move up, but a kid from the slums of D'troit can be the next Bill Gates. I dont know of more mobility in any other part of the world. If anything, this kind of mobility has increased in our society over the last 2-3 decades.<br /><br />5) Global competitiveness<br /><br />This is a potential concern in some markets, but in the highest value added markets, we seem to be mostly in first place and holding on to this position, or, improving our position in some markets. Can we be competitive in most product/market segments? Probably not. Do we need to be? Probably not.<br /><br />6) Income equality <br />(disenfranchisement and crime)<br /><br />Not exactly sure what you mean by this - I assume the extreme range in incomes from low to high. This does create social issues, however, anyone who doesnt like his current income can chose to do what it takes to qualify to earn a higher income. Redistribution of wealth is not the answer. This has already gone to extremes. Just take a look at some of the IRS data on where tax dollars are coming from. The highest income taxpayers are already paying a hugely disproportionate share of alll tax dollars collected ( from individuals). Part of the answer here is to stop making so many poor people - a concept loaded with controversy and conflict.<br /><br />7) Quality of life (clean air and water, parks, roads, etc.)<br /><br />These issues seem to be moving to the foreground and I believe will be constructively addressed.<br /><br />8) Government services to promote all of the above.<br /><br />Government services is an oxymoron in the US so far. The waste, fraud , and lack od service in most govt run entities is shocking. Ideally we can fix these problems. A more realistic solution is to have the private sector perform more of these services, and to do some hard nosed zero based budgeting to greatly reduce the level of services our govt(s) is attempting to provide.WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-7236931726731887642009-06-22T12:29:24.647-07:002009-06-22T12:29:24.647-07:00Whytech :
you would be amazed by the amount of t...Whytech :<br /><br />you would be amazed by the amount of total fool i have met with all fortunes expressed in tens of millions if not hundreds ...<br /><br />just for the fun , i give you one (not personally met and absolutely no wishes to ...) <br /><br />Paris Hilton ! <br /><br />rich and with an IQ level that seems to be invented as a negative value , just for her ...! ;-)fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-52192635177084456902009-06-22T12:19:42.714-07:002009-06-22T12:19:42.714-07:00Jim
i am sorry not to be more an expert into avi...Jim <br /><br />i am sorry not to be more an expert into aviation things ...<br /><br />but , contrary to your post, some diatribes here are much related with the Fiasco (or nightmare as you wish) called EAC ...<br /><br />if it would have been done in any other part of world (with some exceptions like U.K.) the first thing that would have asked from Vern and mignon would have some prospectives and market analyzes ...<br /><br />then the bankers would have laughed their heads off ... <br /><br />(i agree on other parts of body ... since i have got a stock of Silicon Transplants ! ;-) )<br /><br />the plot would have been finished within the next 10 minutes ...<br /><br />most victims wouldn't have lost their deposits ...<br /><br />which is actually the "Market Distortion" i was talking about ...<br /><br />when Money seems to be free (it was since inflation was higher than rate) anything can happen ...<br /><br />With EAC the theory has confirmed itself for the worst !!fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-54280739194679899412009-06-22T12:06:11.788-07:002009-06-22T12:06:11.788-07:00"is there any way to moderate the long tireso..."is there any way to moderate the long tiresome China v. Europe v. USA v. unions v. standard of living posts?"<br /><br />Jim, instead of mostly lurking, contribute some more aviation content instead of leaving it to a small group of "regulars." <br /><br />I personally dont mind a reasonable amount of OT material while we await some substantive EAC developments. There are some great thinkers here (not me) and I have learned quite a bit beyond aviation. Partly for this reason, this is the one of only two forums/blogs in which I participate. Would be nice if the software permitted multiple threads as part of a single blog/forum (along with easy edit and spell checking) similar to the PPRUNE forum. Then folks could tune in to only the threads of interest to them. If this blog survives, perhaps it could move to PPRUNE.WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-2921387409082153542009-06-22T11:54:55.389-07:002009-06-22T11:54:55.389-07:00"Are you trying to imply that someone with $6..."Are you trying to imply that someone with $600K of disposable income to spend on an airplane (which gets 10mph btw) is a fool!!!!!!"<br /><br />Did I use the "F" word? Read the NTSB reports and you decide.<br /><br />BTW, I think that the assembled multitude on this blog concluded recently that one could spend $2mm on an airplane and be a fool, so, maybe. ;-)WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-4887329088162490462009-06-22T11:43:07.015-07:002009-06-22T11:43:07.015-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-32881982616638708262009-06-22T11:39:30.218-07:002009-06-22T11:39:30.218-07:00Hi Baron,
These are the things that concern me:
1...Hi Baron,<br />These are the things that concern me:<br />1) Nobody is paying the bills (debt and deficit)<br />2) Balance of trad<br />3) Inflationary pressures<br />4) Socioeconomic mobility (versus stratification)<br />5) Global competitiveness<br />6) Income equality (disenfranchisement and crime)<br />7) Quality of life (clean air and water, parks, roads, etc.)<br />8) Government services to promote all of the above.<br /><br />Regrettably, I haven't seen <b>anything</b> in your proposals that address <b>ANY</b> of those- in fact, <b>just the opposite</b>- only short-term viable solutions which erode all of those priorities.<br /><br />I don't know if you're a dedicated Reaganomics advocate or not, and I believe you do want what is "best" for the country. I would urge you to consider what policies would best promote the objectives listed above.<br /><br />And I'm intersted in what your financial objectives for the country are- the real underlying objectives. So far all I've discerned is:<br /> <br />1) Maximizing corporate profits.<br /><br />Nothing else.<br /><br />??bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-54817115368268596202009-06-22T11:38:39.462-07:002009-06-22T11:38:39.462-07:00baron95,
You can be worried that the oven attenda...baron95,<br /><br /><i>You can be worried that the oven attendant job moved to China OR you can go into the Internet pie advertising business.<br /></i><br /><br />in Gemany, in Europe we have learnt: we cannot afford the "oven attendant" jobs - in summa they are too expensive! It's cheaper that the persons get better educations and better chances: the yields are bigger for the persons, employers,... more taxes <b>etc.</b>! <br /><br /><br />Juliusjuliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13294426608276923429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-2786814507098170232009-06-22T11:38:11.686-07:002009-06-22T11:38:11.686-07:00Shane, is there any way to moderate the long tires...Shane, is there any way to moderate the long tiresome China v. Europe v. USA v. unions v. standard of living posts? At least the ones with little or no aviation related content?<br /><br />There is still excellent aviation related content in the comments, but increasingly these useful comments are being drowned out by these long rambling off-topic diatribes.Jim Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228368552972082442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-34717092469317178492009-06-22T11:35:13.170-07:002009-06-22T11:35:13.170-07:00"Cirrus seems to be a magnet for accident pro..."Cirrus seems to be a magnet for accident prone pilots. Read the NTSB reports - quite an eye opener."<br /><br />Are you crazy??? Are you trying to imply that someone with $600K of disposable income to spend on an airplane (which gets 10mph btw) is a fool!!!!!!Jim Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228368552972082442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-2617869939854805992009-06-22T11:23:57.720-07:002009-06-22T11:23:57.720-07:00but i must admit your Oven example is quite good ....but i must admit your Oven example is quite good ...<br /><br />only one flake in it :<br /><br />since they have the raw materials and the oven : if they stop producing = you're lost !<br /><br />the difference : <br /><br />they are over a billion more than you are ...<br />they just need to sell on their own market to start the Eco.cycle all over ...fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-74071287934706359722009-06-22T11:17:16.181-07:002009-06-22T11:17:16.181-07:00OOOPPPs
yeah , sorry ... implants ... transplant...OOOPPPs <br /><br />yeah , sorry ... implants ... transplant would be for brain ... but it remain to be invented ...! ;-)<br /><br />Baron , no the pie won't keep on growing ...unfortunately !<br /><br />mother nature is around to teach us that resources are scarce ...<br /><br />just for the fun of it :<br /><br />USA in the last decade made an average GNP of some 10 T /year ...<br /><br />since every of each year of the last decade , USA accumulated debts of all kinds ...<br /><br />since GNP is the richness and services produced into a said country , regardless if it is in or out of this country ...<br /><br />IF you accumulated debts of all kinds while making those 10T/year :<br />what is , then , the REAL NET VALUE ? ;-))<br /><br />ps : you see the shrinking is not starting ...<br />it started much before when in need to borrow outside to make it happen inside ...<br /><br />with the golden palm on the Chinese Deal : borrowing their money to buy their products = Wonderful !!! ;-))fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144753596502433091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-48961055958224920932009-06-22T10:56:48.649-07:002009-06-22T10:56:48.649-07:00BEG said... DO YOU GET IT- IT'S NOT A QUESTION...BEG said... DO YOU GET IT- IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF CORPORATE PROFITS. IT'S A QUESTION OF INCOME DISTRIBUTION-<br />====================<br /><br />Actually 0 I had not gotten it till now - I didn't know you were trying to make that point - I was on the economic leadership question.<br /><br />Yes. I do get your concern now. And I do get that you (and many) are apprehensive. It happens in EVERY recession.<br /><br />Remember how in the late 70s and early 80s Japan was going to take over the world, and all our jobs would go there?<br /><br />What happened? Japan stagnated and the US boomed.<br /><br />Now in this recession China sits in for Japan. Oh my god, all our jobs and income will go to China.<br /><br />It ain't happen BEG. China is coming off a very low base and doing a wonderful and pragmatic job at growing their economy and is the ONLY large economy with higher GDP growth rate than the US. But that is GOOD for the US.<br /><br />This is the analogy. After WWII Europe/Japan were in shambles and the US was virtually the only functioning western economy. <br /><br />Ask yourself. Would the US be better off if Europe and Japan continues in perpetual shambles? Or was it better for the US that we helped Europe and Japan rebuild and turn into great trade partners to the US? I can't find anyone that would argue the former would be better.<br /><br />So same with China and India. Is it better for the US for 1/3 of the world population to be in peasant/poverty, or is it better for them to develop into partners/competitors to the US?<br /><br />It is not a zero sum game, you know. The world economy has grown each and every year.<br /><br />Our (US) share of the pie will continue to shrink. But the pie will continue to get bigger.<br /><br />We used to plant the wheat, make the crust, create the recipe, bake the pie. Now the Chinese bake the pie, but we create multiple flavors, market it in innovative bundles and deliver the pie via the internet. Those jobs are better than tending a pie oven all day.<br /><br />You can be worried that the oven attendant job moved to China OR you can go into the Internet pie advertising business.<br /><br />Your choice.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-29949667155267427162009-06-22T10:56:15.758-07:002009-06-22T10:56:15.758-07:00"Obama would have to create a task force to d..."Obama would have to create a task force to determine the exact implant volumes, shapes and mileage that the implants would get."<br /><br />I volunteer to be Implant Czar!WhyTechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316462511388173480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-90314923314043697402009-06-22T10:52:52.814-07:002009-06-22T10:52:52.814-07:00Baron,
Your proposal may be a good one. However,...Baron,<br /><br />Your proposal may be a good one. However, we need to get a feel for its outstanding points and a grasp on its assets.Black Tuliphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04657938226341343450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3817101653623448889.post-7789312491751715632009-06-22T10:41:02.904-07:002009-06-22T10:41:02.904-07:00Fred said... then 78% of Miami women have silicon ...Fred said... then 78% of Miami women have silicon transplant <br />-------------------<br /><br />One of your better lines Fred - LOL.<br /><br />Though I think it is a silicon "implant" not a transplant.<br /><br />Let me just go on record that I support socialized medicine for that ONE purpose - free boob jobs for all women. Of course, Obama would have to create a task force to determine the exact implant volumes, shapes and mileage that the implants would get.<br /><br />There you go BEG - that would not be a "bad" job, regardless of the pay, right? Local government breast implant quality inspector. Well except for the ones in Florida, where the average age is 76.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.com